Showing posts with label leak. Show all posts
Showing posts with label leak. Show all posts

Monday, January 9, 2017

Navien Tankless Hotwater Heater Leaking

We have a slow leak from the outlet for the Navien's Recirculation Return Connection (RCC). We don't employ an external (through the home) recirculation system, so the return is capped. It's the cap with yellow duct tape on it, next to the Cold Water Inlet Connection (CWIC), in the photo below (I insulated the cold water copper piping in case it was collecting condensation).
Navien NR-180A Tankless Hotwater Heater from the front
We are using the internal circulation mode to speed up hot water delivery to our bathroom outlets. I'm concerned that the circulation pump or 3-Way Valve may be leaking, and water collection in the bottom of the tank is leaking through the capped RCC. The Inlet Water Filter may also be dirty, and this could cause a leak.

Note also the venting for the room, which runs right along side the water and drain pipes (the Navien will sit above this vent). I'm not sure this venting is required. The vent drops very cold air into the room during winter, and may freeze water in the pipes. There is a gas furnace in the room, but it is vented separately.

Vent to outside right under where the Navien will be installed.

Thursday, January 12, 2012

Locating the Source of the Leak

Double A Plumbing removed drywall to inspect drains and discovered that the source of the leak was a cracked condensate drain pipe. The pipe was apparently cracked when the duct for the room vent was installed, either at the time of installation, or from the pressure that was put on the pipe, which made it vulnerable to cracking during cold, winter temperatures.

Photos below show the drains roughed in vertical, the installation of the vent and duct, the pipe bent to the left beside the duct, and the leak.








Monday, January 9, 2012

Taking a Closer Look at the Leak

I removed the baseboard and about 3 inches of the drywall. This is what I found.




It is wettest underneath the vent. Insulation is wet there, whereas it is not on either side of the cutout. The photos below show what's behind that vent.



Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Water Collecting Under Wall Below Navien Tankless Hot Water Heater

We've noticed water collecting under the baseboard below the Navien Hot Water heater. The problem is intermittent; it isn't constant, and it's a small amount of water. We've noticed the water collecting during the day, when water is being used in the house, and when the heating system is more likely to be running. As an example, there was water on the floor along the baseboard yesterday. The water had dried up overnight.

Although the water is below the tankless hot water heater, it isn't coming directly from piping on the hot water heater itself. We've checked the hot and cold water piping, the drain, and cycled the pressure relief valve (in case water is splashing), and found no leaks. The water is definitely collecting inside the wall.

Water is collecting along the baseboard below the Navien
tankless hot water heater. Notice the vent on the wall.
Cold air pours through this vent during the winter.
The water runs all along the baseboard.
Drains (black), main water (blue), and plumbing
for the tankless hot water heater
Drain pipes
Intake and exhaust for tankless hot water heater. Line above
white pipes is HVAC power and condensate drain.
Exhaust goes into garage
and up garage wall
up through roof
Installation of vent ducting.
Installation of Navien tankless hot water heater.
Navien tankless hot water heater as it stands
today. Line above system is condensate drain
from furnace and power to HVAC units outside.
Condensation line exiting storage room to outside under deck.
Condensation line drain by AC unit.
Given the situation, the best guess as to the nature of the problem is condensation forming on the cold water pipe inlet coming to the Navien unit from inside the wall. There's also possibility of condensation forming on the exhaust pipe from the unit.

Pipe insulation can prevent condensation forming, as the surface temperature of the insulation will vary from the surface temperature of the pipe. Condensation will not occur, provided that (a) the insulation surface is above the dew point temperature of the air; and (b) the insulation incorporates some form of water-vapor barrier or retarder that prevents water vapor from passing through the insulation to form on the pipe surface.

Of course, another possibility is a slow leak in one of the water lines. The fact that the problem just showed up in the winter cold weather seems to mitigate against this, but doesn't rule it out.